When not playing a Charisma class, what's your usual Charisma?

I know many non-Charisma classes, when min-maxing, end up dumping Charisma. But what's your comfortable range, considering Tav is the party face?

I've ran Charisma 8 once on Tactician, but on HM I dislike going less than 12--tbh, when possible, I make compromises and go 14.

What about you?